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Chapter II.—The Disputation of
Nebridius Against the Manichæans, on the Question “Whether God
Be Corruptible or Incorruptible.”
3. It was sufficient for me, O Lord, to oppose
to those deceived deceivers and dumb praters (dumb, since Thy word
sounded not forth from them) that which a long while ago, while we
were at Carthage, Nebridius used to propound, at which all we who
heard it were disturbed: “What could that reputed nation of
darkness, which the Manichæans are in the habit of setting up as a
mass opposed to Thee, have done unto Thee hadst Thou objected to
fight with it? For had it been answered, ‘It would have done Thee
some injury,’ then shouldest Thou be subject to violence and
corruption; but if the reply were: ‘It could do Thee no
injury,’ then was no cause assigned for Thy fighting with it; and
so fighting as that a certain portion and member of Thee, or
offspring of Thy very substance, should be blended with adverse
powers and natures not of Thy creation, and be by them corrupted
and deteriorated to such an extent as to be turned from happiness
into misery, and need help whereby it might be delivered and
purged; and that this offspring of Thy substance was the soul, to
which, being enslaved, contaminated, and corrupted, Thy word, free,
pure, and entire, might bring succour; but yet also the word itself
being corruptible, because it was from one and the same substance.
So that should they affirm Thee, whatsoever Thou art, that is, Thy
substance whereby Thou art, to be incorruptible, then were all
these assertions false and execrable; but if corruptible, then that
were false, and at the first utterance to be abhorred.”484
484 Similar arguments are made use of in his
controversy with Fortunatus (Dis. ii. 5), where he says,
that as Fortunatus could find no answer, so neither could he when a
Manichæan, and that this led him to the true faith. Again, in his
De Moribus (sec. 25), where he examines the answers which
had been given, he commences: “For this gives rise to the
question, which used to throw us into great perplexity, even when
we were your zealous disciples, nor could we find any
answer,—what the race of darkness would have done to God,
supposing He had refused to fight with it at the cost of such
calamity to part of Himself. For if God would not have suffered any
loss by remaining quiet, we thought it hard that we had been sent
to endure so much. Again, if He would have suffered, His nature
cannot have been incorruptible, as it behooves the nature of God to
be.” We have already, in the note to book iv. sec. 26, referred
to some of the matters touched on in this section; but they call
for further elucidation. The following passage, quoted by Augustin
from Manichæus himself (Con. Ep. Manich. 19), discloses to
us (1) their ideas as to the nature and position of the two
kingdoms: “In one direction, on the border of this bright and
holy region, there was a land of darkness, deep and vast in extent,
where abode fiery bodies, destructive races. Here was boundless
darkness flowing from the same source in immeasurable abundance,
with the productions properly belonging to it. Beyond this were
muddy, turbid waters with their inhabitants; and inside of them
winds terrible and violent, with their prince and their
progenitors. Then, again, a fiery region of destruction, with its
chiefs and peoples. And similarly inside of this, a race full of
smoke and gloom, where abode the dreadful prince and chief of all,
having around him innumerable princes, himself the mind and source
of them all. Such are the five natures of the region of
corruption.” Augustin also designates them (ibid. sec. 20)
“the five dens of the race of darkness.” The nation of darkness
desires to possess the kingdom of light, and prepares to make war
upon it; and in the controversy with Faustus we have (2) the
beginning and issue of the war (Con. Faust. ii. 3; see also
De Hæres, 46). Augustin says: “You dress up for our
benefit some wonderful First Man, who came down from the race of
light, to war with the race of darkness, armed with his waters
against the waters of the enemy, and with his fire against their
fire, and with his winds against their winds.” And again
(ibid. sec. 5): “You say that he mingled with the
principles of darkness in his conflict with the race of darkness,
that by capturing these principles the world might be made out of
the mixture. So that, by your profane fancies, Christ is not only
mingled with heaven and all the stars, but conjoined and compounded
with the earth and all its productions—a Saviour no more, but
needing to be saved by you, by your eating and disgorging Him. This
foolish custom of making your disciples bring you food, that your
teeth and stomach may be the means of relieving Christ, who is
bound up in it, is a consequence of your profane fancies. You
declare that Christ is liberated in this way,—not, however,
entirely; for you hold that some tiny particles of no value still
remain in the excrement, to be mixed up and compounded again and
again in various material forms, and to be released and purified at
any rate by the fire in which the world will be burned up, if not
before. Nay, even then, you say, Christ is not entirely liberated,
but some extreme particles of His good and divine nature, which
have been so defiled that they cannot be cleansed, are condemned to
stay for ever in the mass of darkness.” The result of this
commingling of the light with the darkness was, that a certain
portion and member of God was turned “from happiness into
misery,” and placed in bondage in the world, and was in need of
help “whereby it might be delivered and purged.” (See also
Con. Fortunat. i. 1.) Reference may be made (3), for
information as to the method by which the divine substance was
released in the eating of the elect, to the notes on book iii. sec.
18, above; and for the influence of the sun and moon in
accomplishing that release, to the note on book v. sec, 12,
above. | This
argument, then, was enough against those who wholly merited to be
vomited forth from the surfeited stomach, since they had no means
of escape without horrible sacrilege, both of heart and tongue,
thinking and speaking such things of Thee.
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